Big L Fab Forty vs Caroline Countdown

Jon Myer of the Pirate Radio Hall of Fame has very kindly given Radio London permission to compile a comparison between the Caroline Countdown chart on his site, provided by Caroline DJ John Hatt, and the Radio London Fab Forty for the same week in September 1966 – broadcast Sat Sept 24th, on Caroline and Sunday Sept 24th, London. This proved an interesting, though very difficult, exercise.

It is hard enough to compare a Top Forty listing against a Top Fifty, let alone an isolated Caroline Countdown against a chart taken from a full set of Fab Forties. There are so many factors to build into the equation that this cannot be regarded as a serious analysis. For instance, Caroline had a Top Fifty, but although the Radio London chart was announced as a Top Forty, it rarely contained only forty singles! Offshore radio fans all know that the Fab Forties are not in any way based on sales of records, whereas Caroline was more likely to have charts (or certainly the top twenty of them) based on those published in music papers such as Melody Maker. There are instances where it cannot be established for certain that a particular single we have listed as being played on either station that week was actually aired. We have mentioned before that typed 'official' lists sent to the ship from the on-shore office are likely to bear little resemblance to what the listeners heard. I am sure this applies equally to Caroline. Alan Field's chart (on which I have based the Fab Forty information given here) comes as close as we are likely to get to what Big L played in this particular week, as Alan listened and wrote it all down at the time.

When it came to choosing their playlists, both stations had their own agendas. The entries marked with an asterisk indicate records containing a song (either the A- or B-Side) published by the Radio London-associated music publisher, Pall Mall Music. It should be noted that despite the expected Big L prejudice towards including these releases, the singles are not necessarily being played exclusively by Radio London! However, it does seem that the recording by Freddie Ryder, who just happened to work for Caroline, was being played exclusively by his own station. (See page 2)

If we simply regard this as a fun comparison of two station playlists for the same week in 1966, based on the information available, it makes interesting reading and gives a fair indication of how fast singles were dropped from the Big L playlist. The feature has been split into 2 parts for ease of viewing.

To see the full-sized Caroline Countdown (left) in its original form, visit the Pirate Radio Hall of Fame. Jonathan continues to add more Countdowns to the PRHoF, as received from Jempi Laevaert and John Hatt and in 2009, acquired a set of Radio City Sixties for the website.

Interested in the Caroline charts? The Stonewashed Collection, complied by Jempi Laevaert, is attached to the Radio London website and updated periodically.

Key to Colours
Caroline, going up
Big L Fab 40, going up
Going down
Non-mover
New entry
Shaded boxes
Singles still in the Caroline chart which had previously been on Big L playlist, but had left it on the date given Singles on this week's Big L list, but not Caroline's Singles on this week's Caroline list, but not on Big L's and not previously listed by Big L

Dep
Date
Chart comparison: Caroline Countdown, September 24th, Big L Fab 40, September 25th 1966
 
4
1
Bend It Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich
 
27
2
Walk With Me Seekers
 
1
3
I'm A Boy Who
 
11
4
Winchester Cathedral* New Vaudeville Band
 
22
5
Sunny Bobby Hebb
 
23
5
Sunny Georgie Fame
 
3
6
You Can't Hurry Love Supremes
11/09
6
  Eleanor Rigby/Yellow Submarine Beatles
18/09
7
  Too Soon to Know Roy Orbison
 
8
7
All I See Is You Dusty Springfield
 
13
8
I Don't Care Los Bravos
 
12
9
Guantanamera Sandpipers
11/09
10
  All Or Nothing Small Faces
 
2
10
Little Man Sonny & Cher
   
11
Have You Ever Loved Somebody Searchers
 
18
11
Have You Ever Loved Somebody* Paul & Barry Ryan
   
12
I've Got You Under My Skin Four Seasons
 
34
13
Another Tear Falls Walker Brothers
   
14
Baby Toys Toys
11/09
14
  Just Like A Woman Manfred Mann
11/09
15
  Stop That Girl Chris Andrews
 
5
15
Distant Drums Jim Reeves
 
33
16
Dear Mrs Applebee David Garrick
 
16
17
Lady Godiva Peter & Gordon
31/07
17
  Sweet Dreams Tommy McLain
 
44
18
Light Finders Keepers
   
19
I Struck It Rich Len Barry
   
20
We Love The Pirate Stations* Roaring 60's
21/08
20
  Warm and Tender Love Percy Sledge
   
21
There Will Never Be Another You Chris Montez
   
21
Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing In The Shadow? Stones
18/09
21
  Big Time Operator Zoot Money
 
36
22
What A Wonderful Feeling Lulu & the Alan Price Set
   
23
Summer Wind Frank Sinatra
 
9
24
Working In The Coal Mine Lee Dorsey
18/09
24
  Got to Get You Into My Life Cliff Bennett
11/09
25
  Cherry Cherry Neil Diamond
11/09
26
  Step Out of Line Twice As Much
28/08
28
  More Than Love Ken Dodd
7/08
29
  So Sad About Us The Merseys
28/08
30
  Here Today Robb Storme Group
 
31
  In the Arms of Love Andy Williams
4/09
32
  Run Sandie Shaw
 
19
25
Ashes To Ashes Mindbenders
   
26
She Drives Me Out Of My Mind Swinging Medallions
 
50(?)
27
When I Come Home Spencer Davis Group
   
28
Land Of 1,000 Dances Wilson Pickett
   
29
Gotta Get A Hold Of Myself Zombies
   
30
Summertime Billy Stewart
 
45
31
What Would Your Mama Say Now? Miki Dallon
   
32
There's Something About You* Chantelles
   
33
Born A Woman Sandy Posey
   
34
Till Winter Follows Spring Settlers
 
SS
35
Dommage Dommage Engelbert Humperdinck
 
37
  Bossy Boss Fingers Lee
 
36
My Strength, Heart And Soul Johnny Devlin
 
37
The Cost Of Living Downliners Sect
 
37
That Loving Feeling* Honeycombs
 
38
I Can Make It With You Jackie de Shannon/Pozo Seco Singers
 
39
Painter Man Creation
 
40
Security Diana Dors
 
40
Somewhere My Love Mike Sammes Singers
 
40
  You Are the Love of My Life Truly Smith

Dep
Date
LW
TW
Positions 41 – 50, Caroline Countdown only
 
42
41
Off to Dublin Go Lucky Four
4/09
45
42
Money Won't Change You James Brown
 
41
43
World of No Return Kenny Damon
 
47
44
Light Finders Keepers
 
45
What Would Your Mother Say Now Miki Dallon
 
33
46
Man of the Moment Freddie Ryder
 
50
47
It's A Crime Kirkbys
 
43
48
I Can't Touch the Sun Julie Felix
31/07
34
49
Mama Dave Berry
 
50
When I Get Home Spencer Davis Group

Notes:
Wonderful Feeling Lulu

On the Caroline Countdown, this single is listed as above. Brian Long's version of the Fab Forty lists it as 'What a Wonderful Feeling' by Lulu. However, Alan Field heard it announced as "What a Wonderful Feeling by Lulu and the Alan Price Set", who were, indeed, the recording artists. Alan Price also wrote the song.

What Would Your Mama Say Now Miki Dallon

According to Brian Long's Fab 40 listings, Field's Fab Forty, and the Record Collector Rare Record Price Guide, the correct title of this single was What Will Your Mama Say Now

The feature has been split into two parts for ease of viewing. Additional analysis, Big L Climbers and Caroline Sure-shots are on Page 2

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